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Rob Kay's avatar

What a super post! Made my day!

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DrLatusDextro's avatar

'Circling the drain' has become an 'approved' and cultivated means of deflecting from the perception of truth. There is an assault in play and we are the hunted, with most seemingly transfixed by the twin word playing headlights of illusion and delusion.

https://drlatusdextro.substack.com/p/sleight-of-hand-sleight-of-state

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MSB's avatar

Thanks, bookmarked to read. But in principle, agree semantics and language very important. That’s why Dr Jones’ piece is so valuable. Many dissidents just don’t get that their “rabbit-hole” expressions (e.g. no virus, etc) will only cause confusion and create a loss of credibility. Even if we know it was a scamdemic, sometimes we have to use the language of those we’re communicating with whereby it may be necessary for the sake of credibility to call it a pandemic, which is not incorrect as it literally means “all the people”.

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DrLatusDextro's avatar

Please forgive this long response. It is hard to know how to respond, and I do understand the points being made, in addition to the valuable points made in the commentary. We remain nevertheless in a dire quandary that only becomes surmountable in the end, by truth, which in the end must fully emerge in totality if we are to survive.

The incontestable platform of established ethics (now evidently quite fraudulently and immorally contested) seems at least one reliable place in which to find concordance.

The National Ethics Advisory Committee (NZ) published a report in 2023 of a survey it conducted regarding the public / institutional disposition to ethics. Public adherence to established ethics was demonstrated at an 80% level. This is in stark contrast to the efforts of the NZ MOH to impose future mandates with the proposal to deny medical treatment or access to the grocery store for non-compliance with a future 'shot(s)', as intimated by the MOH 'pandemic plan' 2024 publication.

https://drlatusdextro.substack.com/p/fixated-on-fear

Reference to the (historical) science and published literature, embarking on the required critical methodological assessments that so obviously undermine several narratives is now urgent, though clearly beyond most including those claiming some ability in critical thinking or clinical acumen.

The conditioning appears strong, as evidenced by an invalid test used as the means to apply a diagnostic re-badging of any condition of ill-health (see WHO 'COVID' definition - "A person with laboratory confirmation of COVID-19 infection, irrespective of clinical signs and symptoms.") https://tinyurl.com/ywekrvhr

One also notes that the term 'pandemic' is a defined word, the WHO definition of a pandemic conveniently describing it as, 'an epidemic occurring worldwide, or over a very wide area, crossing international boundaries and usually affecting a large number of people'.

Explicit in these words is the desired ideological notion of ‘not respecting borders’ (to wit, the very aim of corporate globalism). To achieve this, while simultaneously and drastically lowering the bar on what constituted a pandemic, the tweak was delivered.

The WHO redefined ‘pandemic’ to exclude reference to the words, "with enormous numbers of deaths and illness" and (for virus theory adherents), also deleted the requirement for a new sub-type with a simple reassortant virus, meaning that many seasonal flu ‘viruses’ could be classified as ‘pandemic influenza'.

The continued presence of these deleted words would have precluded the political execution of the COVID charade.

https://drlatusdextro.substack.com/p/disease-x-and-the-alchemy-of-100

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MSB's avatar

Long responses fine, as long as readable (like yours). I get your point about WHO definitions, such as of “pandemic”, which is a basic dictionary one to distinguish from epidemics. I’m trying to express that I agree with Dr Jones and you about language, and the need to sound credible as you don’t want people to be turned off even before you get a chance to go deeper. I also know how language and semantics are used against us.

You’re so right, only the truth can save us. How we express it is important I feel. There are very smart respected voices who’ve produced brilliant comprehensive studies, such as on autism. But recently when reading their tweets, I almost feel as if they’re screaming with frustration, which I get. Unfortunately, it eventually becomes a turn-off. Let’s continue to do our part, consistently being the voice of calm reason, never giving up.

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Dr Ros Jones's avatar

Thanks for that excellent link

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MSB's avatar

This really is brilliant; and you are correct that at the end of the day, we need to ask ourselves what actually matters. Don’t know if you’re familiar with the writings of A Midwestern Doctor. He has spoken of having seen fractures in movements, and he identified 2 causes: 1) members of the group who care more about their own agendas than the goal of the movement; and 2) bad actors put there to fracture the movement by taking advantage of this. There may be other causes, but not much focus on solutions till this piece of yours.

I personally do think the lab-leak issue is important because many who have worked in these locations have reported that such an event is not uncommon. By giving it attention, I believe we can focus on banning unnecessary research where the benefits definitely do not outweigh the risks and where the profit motive for a few overwhelms the needs of the many.

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peter donnelly's avatar

Excellent article. From the very beginning i regarded this to have been a panicodemic. The prevailing culture of risk-aversion, misuse of the precautionary principle, heavy reliance on alarmist modelling, the herd instinct and if-in-doubt, follow the loudest shout, the inherent opportunism of politicians, and the woeful but wanton ignorance of the opinion makers all set the train in motion which, once rolling, wouldn't be stopper until universal vaccination became the exit strategy.I could se no benefits but only costs in every sense of the word to individuals, systems,and society. A level headed impartial, objective, post-mortem is required to arrive at a proper verdict but I fear it will be a long time in coming.

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Phil Palij's avatar

Dr. Ros Jones puts together an impressive list of points of confusion preventing accountability for the criminals who organised, orchestrated and executed the Covid-19 crime against humanity which goes on today. ONE IMPORTANT ELEMENT IS MISSING -CONTROL OF THE MASS MEDIA -

HART are great, honest doctors, knowledgeable and earnest. But are they the right people to fight a media war for the hearts and minds of the people against ruthless immoral media sharks controlled by the state?

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biologyphenom's avatar

The most important element missing was failing to mention the world's only official COVID inquiry which has revealled the truth to the lockdown. Check it out it get's barely no promotion in critic circles compared to other topics. https://biologyphenom.substack.com/p/scottish-covid-19-inquiryclosing

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Gillian Jamieson's avatar

Yes, they can help. First and foremost, if people have closed their ears to certain facts, you will only get them to start listening if you find areas of agreement first and then go very gently, listening to their opinion, not spouting yours. This is how to engage with people and this is absolutely essential if you would like them to change their mind or open their eyes. There has been great shock and trauma at different levels and you need to take that into account when talking to people.

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Seacat's avatar

Those who orchestrated the 'covid' thing would rather have us zeroed in on the origins of 'covid' rather than the effects of their policies, masks, lockdowns, jabs. The English 'covid' Inquiry via its KC, Hugo Keith, was at pains to stress it was a 'novel' virus that was visited on humanity. The conclusion (likely pre ordained) will be that a 'novel' virus requires/ed special measures, the UK was under prepared. Thus, the focus is taken away from the terrible consequences of masks, lockdowns, (novel) injections, rather than highlighting the evidence that has already come from the Scottish Inquiry.

The substack done by Biologyphenom has reported back from that Inquiry with harrowing evidence from witnesses- the inhuman way the aged and disabled were treated, those confined to care homes, deprived of their relatives' support. That substack is what the 'authorities' don't want people to know about because the Scottish Inquiry has too much evidence which tears apart the narrative of keeping people 'safe'. Peoples' lives were anything but 'safe' because of the draconian inhuman restrictions. That is what we must focus on and never allow them to do it again to family friends and neighbours.

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Dr Ros Jones's avatar

Absolutely. That is really the point I'm trying to make - it was the response above all which killed people, destroyed families and mental health etc and I'm not sure we will ever be able to prove whether there was some 'flu virus knocking around or just fear on its own.

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Markker's avatar

I was ill in Jan 2020, 3 wks of the acclaimed Covid symptoms, but I didn't panic because it was prior to any announcements re a deadly new pathogen circulating. I'm retired, live alone, and had limited social interaction in those dark days of winter. I got better eventually with lingering fatigue. I knew 2 younger working women who became hospitalised with pneumonia, both very poorly, in December 2019, previously fit and healthy. I have pondered if they would have survived new protocols for a novel virus if they had been tested then, instead of the standard treatments. When looking at this from only a health view with the data, only 40 "cases" outside China when the pandemic declared, there was no pandemic. The lockdowns were introduced to orchestrate bank bailouts, not for health purposes, and the contagion story, requiring saviour "vaccines" was necessary to get experimental gene transfection injections to market under EUA, to save failing pHARMA from going down with their blockbuster patents all shortly to expire. Covid was well planned in advance for banks and pharma. Yes, the response was completely OTT from the health only aspect but was the ruse pulled off by governments, media, and medics to "scare the pants off of everyone" said Hancock, to comply. Oh, the shortfall in the treasury for pensions and benefits needed addressing too. I've no idea if pensions savings from deaths is lower than the increased disability PIPs claims. We lurch from crisis to crisis, on purpose.

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Steve Jack's avatar

Yes, as explained very thoroughly by Prof. Fabio Vighi in his excellent series of articles on The Philosophical Salon, beginning back in August 2021: https://thephilosophicalsalon.com/a-self-fulfilling-prophecy-systemic-collapse-and-pandemic-simulation/

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Dr Ros Jones's avatar

Just read that link - thanks. Interestingly the last 'pandemic' of swine flu was in 2009/10 just timed in with the last financial crash - probably lots of people knew that but I think I was asleep at the wheel till 2020!!

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biologyphenom's avatar

What CAN be proven is that from March-end May 2020 no care home resident in Scotland was even tested for the presence of a novel pathogen yet during this time extreme isolation policies, misuse of DNACPR and overuse of end of life medications along with the annihilation of their human rights WAS taking place and has been CONFIRMED. That's not a pandemic by any logic. Now look where we are in 2025 with UK wide push for ''assisted dying'' with the disabled having their benefits cut.

https://substack.com/@scottishcovidinquiry/note/c-128503944

https://biologyphenom.substack.com/p/scottish-covid-19-inquiryclosing

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Dr Ros Jones's avatar

absolutely. Last week was a bad week for the frail and elderly and those with disabilities who will all doubtless be encouraged down the assisted dying route.

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biologyphenom's avatar

Oof all that good work Ros and yet you fail to mention the world's best evidence of what really happened during the lockdown which has been so revealling nearly 12 MONTHS on there are no media reports of the following bombshell closing statement evidence. How i have any hair left god only knows!

https://biologyphenom.substack.com/p/scottish-covid-19-inquiryclosing

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Stuffysays's avatar

Seems to me that most of the general public have moved on and the whole thing is no longer a topic for polite conversation in social gatherings. People who pop along a couple of times a year for a 'flu jab now also get a covid jab - they don't even seem to think about it, they just get a letter and off they go. People who play-acted the whole charade of masks and distancing and one-way supermarkets didn't die and none of their friends/relations died so they have nothing to say. It happened, they participated because everyone else did, it's over so move on. People who had friends/relatives die "of/with covid" often now casually admit the deceased had "lots of things wrong with them". So, it's only people whose elderly parents rotted in care homes that still care about it all. As for the "died suddenly" or "stage 4 turbo-cancer suprise diagnosis" brigade - they will tell you these things happen but won't often admit the jabs might be involved. So keep up the good work because the truth needs to come out but I'm not sure people actually care much now. Which is scary really but I do wonder whether they would all do it again - I suspect many people would not fall for it again.

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Gillian Jamieson's avatar

Top class article on what is important when trying to help people see the extent of the covid corruption and malfeasance.

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john robinson's avatar

Redefining "EUA", "pandemic"," emergency",and "novel virus" protocols in a way that is acceptable for global authorities and that complies with pre COV2 established medical professional norms for a universal reference would go a long way toward preventing abuses of language such as misappropriation and newspeak that lead entire populations down the wrong path.

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